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Advice please, extremely timid conure
Last Post 25-12-2011 02:31 AM by Frankster. 38 Replies.
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14-11-2011 01:48 PM

Hello people .. my first post here and I could use a little advice regarding Momo the blue-crowned conure.

Momo is 4 years old, very healthy and has come to me from a very loving home where the owner did not have time to care for the bird. Knowing that I have kept budgies in the past and always loved parakeets, she offered me the bird and huge cage free of charge and I was happy to accept.

My concern is that Momo is very timid, even after a week of settling in he tends to shy away in the corner of his cage. He flies away immediately when I put my hand within about 12 inches of him and has clearly never been handled. So my question is simple ... given that he is 4 years old and possibly quite set in his ways, would Momo lead a happier life if I were to have his wings clipped and train him to enjoy being handled?

As I say, I have kept birds before and never had to clip their wing feathers but those were budgies raised from about 4 months old.

Momo is a beautiful, intelligent and much loved bird so I want to tread carefully here and hear all sides of the argument for and against. My personal feeling is that he would be calmer and happier if I just force him to interact a bit more closely with me. As it stands, he's cowering every time I walk past his cage.

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14-11-2011 11:45 PM
You've only had Momo for a week - he's just lost his mum and everything familiar to him, even his routine - give him a chance. Clipping his wings at this point might well cause more harm than good. You need to sit next to the closed cage and talk to him (for as long as you can) and sing and play the blinking-eye game. You need to leave the door open, and be in the room, but a distance away. Watch tv, read a book, eat your meal. It takes time to get a bird to trust a complete stranger. You need to establish a routine that suits you both, ie up at the same time each day, bed, food, playtime, all at more or less the same time each day. You will find it pays diividends just getting to know him, and him getting to know you. If he's really nervous, crouch down a little lower than he is, look at him out of the side of your eye, pointing your face away, so he can only see one eye. Then blink. Talk quietly. Tell him he's lovely, beautiful, over and over. It's not the words, it's the tone.... Give it a try, and time, lots of time. Talk to the previous owner, find out what she did.
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15-11-2011 12:01 AM
Doddie great advice I totally agree it takes far more than a week, and I am not sure in this case clipping would help. Try and work with him a little each day and reward with Healthy treats and lots of praise. It's all about building up the litlle fellows confidence.

I wish you luck Frankster please let us know how he progresses

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15-11-2011 12:05 AM
I think you need to find out more information about him, where did the previous owner get him from? a breeder? a shop?, and was he hand reared? as it may be that he was parent reared and therefore is frightened of humans. How has he lived his life for the last 4 years?

Once you have these answers then people can help you more, its difficult when you are working with a bird without this fundamental information.
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15-11-2011 12:26 AM

Momo originally came from a breeder. I should have mentioned that he has quite a bad problem with pin feathers on his head and neck due to lack of grooming. I'm spending a lot of time talking to him and reassuring him constantly, he's shown a few encouraging signs like eating from a food bowl when I offer it to him and he will take monkey nuts from me with a little patience.


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15-11-2011 12:43 AM
A word of warning here, please dont try to force him to interact with you, this could actually make him even worse. He is already terrified if you go within twelve inches of him, so it could end up with the poor guy becoming extremely stressed, and possibly starting to pluck or become poorly.
I would also try to find out more information before you go down the wing clipping route, as it may be in the end that he would be happier living in an aviary,and away from humans, particularly if he has been parent reared.
If however after finding out more information you did decide to have him wing clipped, I would advise you to ask one of Birdlines trained wing clippers to do it for you, as the wrong type of clip could also cause problems. Most small animal vets are not really very experienced with birds. Please let us know anymore information you get, and we can try to help you a bit more.
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15-11-2011 01:06 AM
Sorry to post and run but please please please do not feed the little fellow monkey nuts.....will explain more when I get back from my dentist appointment (if some one else doesn't before that...LOL)....
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15-11-2011 01:14 AM
Thanks Ann - it had occurred to me that he might be too old to socialise properly with humans. I'm very reluctant to hold him on a towel and remove the pin feathers, although he hasn't shown any signs of pecking at me I'm certain it would prove very stressful for him. This bird needs a lot of calm reassurance, not the fright of his life.

I'm not trying to force him to become a tame bird, that kind of selfishness in bird owners disgusts me. I'm just concerned that Momo is constantly frightened of his surroundings and cannot preen himself to remove the pin feathers which must surely be annoying him.

As for clipping, I would not even consider doing it myself. If I decide to go down that route - which is by no means certain - then I will take him to a vet in the area who has experience with birds.
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15-11-2011 01:30 AM

Just a little more info, working backwards through his life.

I've had him for 9 days. For 4 months prior to that he was living in a house where he was free to fly round pretty much all day but never handled. He had a room to himself to keep him safe from the owner's dogs and cat.

Before that he was with the breeder, I'm guessing in an aviary due to his timid nature.

I suppose what I'm really asking is is it too late to hand tame him now? I'm really starting to believe that he'd be safer and happier in a big aviary with other birds.

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15-11-2011 02:03 AM
Hi Frankster, don't worry about the pins. They don't look good but won't hurt. As they grow he will scratch his head and break them down but a partner would normally do them for him. Also if he will bathe, the water will soften them.

From the nature of his previous life, this little fella sounds like he was almost in an indoor avairy, albeit alone.
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15-11-2011 02:21 AM
Hi Frank

Conures are lovely lil parrots, I own 2 and I adore them. I dont feed my girls monkey nuts, ive just bought a large sack of AS20 seed, and Im being ignored as they tuck into it
Just give this lil fella time, offer him lil bits of biscuit and chat to him. It will take time, but he will get used to you.
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15-11-2011 03:13 AM
Hi again

From what you have said, it sounds like hes been in an aviary for just about most of his life except the last 4 months, these last 4 months hes been as sharon said (in an almost indoor aviary albeit alone). Hes going to be very scared and probably very lonely as I am guessing (only a guess though) that he was probably with either other birds or a partner and suddenly he finds himself in a new place alone.

Its not ususal for a breeder to sell odd adult birds into the pet market, unless they were giving up and selling their stock and either way by the sounds of it he should really have been put into another aviary with others of his kind.
Hes not used to humans which is why he is flying away from you. Its very hard for these little guys who have been aviary reared to then adapt to a pet home. Some may do but it can take a long time others never adapt, and as you say towelling him will stress him, particularly if you let him out and he has to be caught and towelled to put him back in again.

Some untame birds will step onto a stick or a wooden perch if you hold it near to them, but again it depends just how scared he is.
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15-11-2011 04:00 AM
I have to agree with Sheila on this one, and in view of your latest info it does sound to me personally that an aviary environment may be best for this little guy.
Getting back to wing clipping. I didnt for a minute think you would attempt to wing clip him yourself,more just to make you aware that most vets, even avian ones, dont clip birds in the way Birdline do. Birds clipped by ourselves are done in such a way that a bird can still glide, just not gain height.This ensures that a bird does not hurt itself if it attempts to fly, and also still has its balance, and it grows back in a few months. Other clips we have seen on birds are centre clips, which actually leaves the flight feathers intact, defeating the object, and also take years to grow back. One wing clipped will knock the bird off balance.
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15-11-2011 04:21 AM

Many thanks to you all for the replies and advice.

I'm actually quite troubled by this bird. He's effectively a wild bird who lives in a cage in my lounge and I can't believe that is a satisfactory life for him. I don't think clipping is a solution, all I'd get is a wild bird who can't fly any more and that's not going to make for a happy bird. I feel I'm running the risk of stressing him by trying too hard but at the same time I want to at least try to reach out and befriend him. The problem is he's just about unapproachable.

I'll persevere for now with patience and encouragement. Maybe in a few months we can think about wing clipping again but he's far too flighty and nervous to benefit from that now.

Thank you all once again, I will doubtless post again with more questions and requests for advice.

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15-11-2011 05:10 AM
If he is, and remains, effectively a wild bird, then he needs to move to an aviary and a local ACO would be able to help you, but not yet. It would not be fair to put him outside now until the spring.

So the timing works out perfectly for you to keep trying with him and see if you get anywhere, but if he is a parent reared bird, then chances are that you won't.

If that is the case then clipping, as you rightly say, is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Good luck with him, and well done you for asking the questions, and thinking of the bird's wellbeing first and foremost.
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15-11-2011 10:31 AM
Frankster, I can't add much to the excellent advice that you've already been given. Except to reiterate Debs' warning about monkey nuts (as in peanuts in shells.) They are commonly affected by Aspergillus spores (a fungus) and can cause Aspergillosis in birds.

So, please don't feed him monkey nuts, not even the pre-roasted ones.
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15-11-2011 11:06 AM
Sorry I forgot to return to this thread and explain my sudden post re: Monkey nuts!

I see that Helen has now explained it....LOL

NO Monkey nuts please - you are risking your birds life!...Peanuts are not a natural food for parrots, and they do not need them, there are far safer alternatives.

Off my soapbox now!

As for Momo you have been given great advice already which I can't really add to - but good luck and I am sure you will do the right thing.
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16-11-2011 05:29 AM
Monkey nuts are all in the bin now!

I think Momo's responding to patient training. He'll take sunflower seeds from me if I'm very patient with him and talk to him a lot. Patience and persistence win the day with birds.
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16-11-2011 11:22 AM

Frankster, before I found Birdline I took in a lovebird found in the street.

I now know that he was probably an escaped aviary bird. I put him in an extremely large cage and I used to spend hours and hours reading to him. singing, albeit badly, and getting serious arm ache as I sat there with lots of treats trying to tempt him over. It seriously took over a year unti he was what I would regard as tame but every day he would do something for the first time. I called hubby at work the first time he stepped up, took a treat from my finger etc etc.

NOw I know what I know, I wouldn't do that again.  Was I cruel?  I don't know but I can;t change it and I did it for the right reason, my heart was in the right place.

The bond I built with him was was worth more than my weight in gold, patience is the key and you must let him come to you, personally, and its just my opinion, clipping at this stage is a definite no no.

If he is taking seed from hands, he doesn't sound very much like a 'traditional'áviary bird to me. 

Keep us up to date with his progress

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16-11-2011 04:05 PM
Victoria, I'm interested to know why you could consider it cruel to tame a lovebird like that? I don't see anything cruel about spending time with a bird, patiently winning its confidence.

I'm typing this with arm ache from holding a food bowl out to Momo - if I'm very quiet and still then he'll climb down the cage bars and steal a few seeds. Someone advised me to offer him sweetcorn and garden peas as healthy treats so I'll give that a try tomorrow.

Every piece of advice I read convinces me more that clipping is not the answer, he just needs a lot of time and patience.
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