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Can I ever be a good mum?
Last Post 17-04-2011 11:25 AM by Ann Conway. 29 Replies.
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melsy
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19-03-2011 05:49 AM
Not heard anymore from anyone yet, I really need to discuss Wally's future with someone IF possible.. It seems it's me that's the problem..He doesn't feel safe out of the cage sometimes and really goes for me.
I had to call a neighbour round the other day as I had to go to work and it had been 3 and a half hours and Wally wouldn't get back in his cage, he was fine with my neighbour and actually thought twice about dive bombing me when a visitor was in the room, hasn't dive bombed anyone else so far, just me, so it's def me that's the problem. It seems the more I try and do for him, entertain him, and give him time out, the more I dig myself a hole! He's not a destructive bird, when out, it's just me in the room some weeks he can't stand. And now I'm being really consistent he almost seems to be thinking 'ahhaa, now this is my kingdom and I can do what I want!!' What I really can't figure out is why sometimes attacks, and is very loving other times. He's not a bad bird, it just almost seems to be me and him just can't figure each other out, if that makes any sense?
I made him a playstand Weds and got him a whole load more toys which he seems interested in but for now is staying on the lampshade where he likes to dive bomb me at every opportunity. Some weeks he'll do nothing but stay on my shoulder, other weeks he'll do nothing but dive bomb and bite me. He goes for my hand now when I change his food and water, that's a new thing and not good. It seems I have 2 options:
1) Get him a well mannered, rescue, 'friend' to teach him how to be a gentleman, along with a larger cage. This could go either way..in which case if it didn't work out I would have to rehome them both..If it does, great.
2) Find him a new and forever home.
It's now getting to the point where I'm waking up feeling quite depressed about it all.
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19-03-2011 06:13 AM
I think the best thing would be for you to ring the 0845 number, speak to Ann, and she can get one of the local aco's to pop round and have a chat hun, dont feel down, they will help you sort things x
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19-03-2011 03:40 PM
First of all its silly season for all birds. Second when you say hes dive bombing you is he actually trying to land on you or is he attacking?, also when he does attack have you changed your appearance eg: hair wet, hair down or up, wearing glasses etc.. as this affects birds more than people realise.

Very often people tend to treat birds like a human and also assume they think like humans... they dont! their behaviour is always associated with something they would normally do in the wild.. eg: you have a tame bird , it loves you , but when someone comes in the room it bites you!.. this is NORMAL behaviour for a bonded bird. It would do this to a feathered partner, I have a bonded pair here and if I go near one the other bites the bird to warn it from going near to me, it does not bite me (if that makes sense) there will be a reason he is attacking (if he is).
Your cockatiel is not hand tame... so ok that isnt such an issue he WILL sit on your shoulder!, he doesnt like hands, ok keep hands away from him, be happy that he will sit on your shoulder, work and live with him on that basis. I have 2 hahns macaws here who one minute love me and the next they bite me... thats a Hahns for you.

You say you want him to be a gentleman,(what ever that is, his needs and yours are totally different as hes not hand reared... if he was you would probably have problems but DIFFERENT problems) I dont think thats ever going to happen, parent reared birds RARELY become as tame as hand reared birds and I dont think we should force any bird to do that if he/she has been parent reared, they are just too frightened.

Hes unlikely ever to be a 'proper' companion bird as you would want him to be, but you can still have lots of fun and have a bond with him even though he wont step onto your hand, I have several birds here like that but we live together and i respect their wishes and work around them and we all get on fine.

You have got a long way with him you can tickle him and he will sit on your arm and shoulder thats a LOT more than a lot of parent reared birds do.

YOU are his only companion YOU are the only one he has for interaction, love, attention , everything. Hes a bird, you are a human, hes not been 'imprinted' on humans so hes struggling and probably doing the best the little guy can.

Lorraine and I are out and about next weekend, if you would us to try and get to visit you call ann on the helpline and give her your details and we will try and pop in if not we will try and get someone to come across and visit and try to help you both.


sorry if I sound a bit harsh its not meant to I am being realistic.




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13-04-2011 03:57 AM

I've tried..and I've thought really long and hard about this and come to the very tough conclusion that Wally must have a friend, not only that but he needs people around him too.

His divebombing and biting have escalated, eg. he bombed and bit me 38 times yesterday in the space of 20mins which wouldn't bother me but for the fact that he's doing this for a REASON. It seems the more he comes out the more he wants to' assert himself'! Hormones or not, I really do think someone can give Wally a more fulfilling life. He isn't happy around me, no - one else just me.  He's fine in the cage, just impossible to be around and a frightened bird out of it. His sole motivation is to target me, bite my neck, ear, and hammer on the top of my head at every opportunity. Somethings wrong. He's not interested in doing this do this to anyone else so it's so obviously me that's the problem here.
Despite buying Wally as a friend for my previous bird because I felt she would be lonely I am against breeding animals for profit, especially as there are birds who so desperately need loving homes already, so I won't get another bird. Also if Wally can be with another bird who needs rehoming too then a home and companion could be found for 2 birds  and I think this would be a much more sensible solution than trying with another bird that may or may not work out.   It breaks my heart to see him like this. Seeing all the wild birds outside too displaying their courtship dances probably doesn't help.
As you say, he needs more than I can give him.  If I kept him knowing that he could and would I reckon be happier around more people and/ or have the opportunity to have a special friend and I'm not prepared to risk this for him it would be WRONG of me and plain selfish to hang on to him. He has so much more potential in him that he could be with me and not only would I be doing Wally a disservice but I'd also be taking away the future happiness of his future owner too.

You might say I'm a bad owner and a bad mum for givng him away but my friends and family have witnessed all this and have seen 1st hand what it's doing to us both, and they agree I'm doing the right thing.

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13-04-2011 04:15 AM
Melsy, sorry i can't really offer any advice as i don't have any experience with Wally's type. I do hope you can get things sorted out for both of your sakes. One of my male budgies was like that for a few weeks, it came and went just as fast which was bizarre.

good luck which ever way it goes.
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13-04-2011 04:26 AM

I feel very sorry for you and your dilema at the moment.  Have you spoken to the helpline as Sheila suggested? You will find the number at top of page.  I wish you well.

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13-04-2011 04:42 AM

Yes, I've spoken with Ann and things are underway.

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13-04-2011 05:21 AM
A tough time for you


Good luck though

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17-04-2011 10:13 AM

Shiela,
Thanks for your helpful posting.
In response:
'Yes', I know it's silly season for birds, 'yes' I know these birds are very sensitive, 'no' I don't anthromorphise him, with any animal you have to understand THEM, we are already frightening enough to an animal and I always try and put myself in the animals's shoes.
'No' it doesn't matter what I look like (I thought it might be my bed-hair or clothing; I have considered everything, no different smellies on me or in house etc') he still dive bombs me, and 'yes' it is full on attacking, he's now leaning over and I think going for my eyes, I have to now duck everytime I move which is making him really frustrated as he can't now land on me anymore and deftly bite my ear or bang bang bang on my head. He's really got it in for me Added to the fact that for the past 3 days he's been out of his cage for 8 hours yesterday and well, he's still out today, I've had to leave him to his own devices and just go out. It's just impossible, he hasn't eaten anything all day, not since this morning 6am when I got up and won't go back in his cage, his poos are now runny but I'm hoping they'll be better by tomorrow. It's only happened since this aftrenoon, It was 10pm before he hopped onto my arm and went back to his cage a few nights ago. I'm even working my hours around him but in many respects the situation's just making us both stressed out and unhappy. He needs a new home asap, there really is no other way around it.
I KNOW that he would be much better with someone else, I've had friends and neighbours in and he's been as happy as Larry!!! I'm flummoxed!! He really seems to perk up and be interested in them, even starting to sing to them, he reverts to his usual happy self!! I know these birds are very sensitive and I worry that the longer he is here the more chance there is that he could get seriously messed up mentally.
And 'no' you don't sound harsh, you are just educating and that's a good thing.  ..But please someone call soon.

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17-04-2011 11:25 AM
Ive pm'd you Melsy. Please call the helpline number if nobody from your area has contacted you by tomorrow night.
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