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| 10-08-2010 12:40 PM |
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Anyone have any idea what these white dots are?
i would say theye were grit, but they don't seem to be bothering the bird and they won't wash away with spraying!
Any advice would be useful.
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| 10-08-2010 12:45 PM |
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Colin Wilson will you pm me please?
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| 10-08-2010 12:49 PM |
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| 10-08-2010 12:50 PM |
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I'll pm you  Now |
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| 10-08-2010 01:30 PM |
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Margy, which bird is that? It looks like it has a flaky beak. Could it be Vit A deficiency? I hope the bird is otherwise well. Short of that I have no ideas at the moment but will think on it. |
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| 10-08-2010 01:32 PM |
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Oh, forgot to ask, are both eyes affected?
Are they new?
I wonder if they may be corneal scratches. Is the bird picking at or itching the eye, and can you tell if he/she has sight through it? |
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| 10-08-2010 01:38 PM |
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Hi Helen
It's just one eye, no itching that I've observed, doesn't seen to be at all bothered.
I think she/he has sight but I have a feeling that it may affect the sight as when approached from that side because of the growls and stress it causes when hands go in but once she/he's stepped up there is no noise.
As to the flakey beak, it may be that it's zoomed in so much it looks a lot worse than it is, I'll have a closer look! And make sure that plenty of vit a rich food is given. |
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| 10-08-2010 02:02 PM |
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They may be corneal abrasions (or scratches) - I think a vet visit may be in order - especially as you think he may have blurry vision on that side. If left untreated an abrasion can get infected and cause scarring and loss of sight (certainly in humans). Best to be safe. It could have been cause by anything - seed husk, grit, a claw or anything. I've had friends and colleagues who've had similar problems from finger or toe nail scratches (from play fighting) |
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| 10-08-2010 02:08 PM |
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Is that human fighting or birdie fighting Helen |
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| 10-08-2010 02:14 PM |
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Human - one a father and son, the other - 2 boys lol
Both are non-bird owners PMSL |
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| 10-08-2010 02:17 PM |
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Just checking |
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| 10-08-2010 10:56 PM |
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Could it be the start of cataracts??? |
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| 11-08-2010 06:48 AM |
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Hi Margy
Ive known him for over 12 months now and hes always had them, dont think they seem to bother him. If you look closely too, you will see a little bit where his top eye lid is tucked up but that doesnt seem to bother him either!! Anyway Ive sent you a big email about it!!
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| 11-08-2010 10:13 AM |
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The 'tucked up eyelid' is known as entropion in humans. It is associated with scarring of the lids and can result in corneal abrasions caused by the eye lashes rubbing on the delicate cornea. I really think he needs to see a vet, although if he has had them that long, probably little can be done for them.
And Paula, cataracts are opacities in the lens - in the front chamber of the eye. From the photo these look like they arev actually on the cornea (the 'skin' covering the eyeball. |
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| 11-08-2010 11:25 AM |
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Thanks Shell, I'm glad to hear it - after all, the birds always come first |
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| 11-08-2010 01:12 PM |
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Well took this gorgeous boy to see our favorite avian vet, of course he wasn't in!!!! So we saw our second favorite One glance and she said most probablysuspect lipid/cholesterol!!! This boy has had too many peanuts! High cholesterol due to bad diet. Spot are there for good, not affecting his sight, she put liquid in his eye and there was no uptake of fluid and crystalline lesions are within cornea! means they are not scratches on his lens. she said the species are prone to this, don't know whether she meant OWA or Ammies in general. If it gets any bigger or he gets more then bloods and an xray of his liver to see if there is any damage. Though a low fat diet is what is needed for him. He was such a good boy, loved being in the car on my knee, watching the world go by, got home, he ran out into the aviary and found a bowl with nuts in!!!! they had to be grappled of him, he wasn't too amused he's just fine, and I'm glad we went to the vets, now we know what we are dealing with, so beware ammie people, not too much fat! |
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| 11-08-2010 03:04 PM |
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Margy - I had to chuckle about the grappling away of nuts lol.
Ammies are traditionally greedy birds, have a tendency to being a bit more podgy than the average bird (ask Shaz) and therefore it seems logical that it could be cholesterol. Interestingly, I haven't heard of cholesterol deposition at that site in humans - I guess it would be called a xanthoma.
I know Shaz (and our avian vet) would recommend milk thistle tincture for him. A couple of drops in his water daily - although Shaz would probably recommend a higher dose. Milk thistle is good for liver and kidney problems (and their prevention.) |
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| 11-08-2010 10:52 PM |
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Good old Milk Thistle 
i tend to give them a 6 week course, liquid MT added to their water 5 to 6 drops daily. It will flush out any build of toxins in their system and also helps to regenerate any damaged part of the liver.
It's also very good for birds who suffer extreme growth of their beaks/nails as that is also usually a sign of possible liver problems. 
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| 12-08-2010 03:52 AM |
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Hi Helen and Shaz, I did ask about Milk Thistle at the vets but I think it's a definate 'we are vets not herbalists' attitude so I was going to suggest the seeds for him, mine have them daily.
i have a bottle of milk thistle tincture in the cupbaord that I got from Boots a couple of months ago but whan I looked it had 55% alcohol!!!! So didn't use it, is the H & B tincture alcohol free? |
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| 12-08-2010 11:06 AM |
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The H&B stuff is Herbal Authority and is in a base of vegetable glycerine. |
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