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Hi and thanks for all the help he is a lot better i think now i know he is older that what i was told by about 4 weeks so he must becoming 15 16 weeks now we have managed to encourage him away from the cage with seed and is now coming to investigate us still not to keen on a fuss but feel this will come we moved the cage too this seemed to help i am sure we are on the right track now thanks to everyone advise and the lady from workington cheers